Why am I not permitted to rate skins that I port?

Published on November 2, 2004 By TN Brat! In WinCustomize Talk

Today I received an email saying

Thank you for your recent upload of your CP38 BeatNik for Beatnik.
Just a heads up.....collaborative efforts preclude you from rating your
partner's works.....it's the equivalent of rating your own, and therefore cheating.
I have removed any that I have noticed to date...and will continue to watch
these submissions.

Truth be told, he is NOT my partner. Though I have made several ports of his skins! I don't make the WindowBlinds, Rainlendars, Sysmetrix....etc. I don't make any of the images he uses....As a matter of fact he make ALL the images I use....I even request specific images when I need them. He sends me .psd files....I don't send him any...so how does this make my PORTS any different from anyone elses' ports?

So, if they are going to remove the ratings to the skins of Pinchecl's that I PORT then they should remove the ratings of the skins other people port....

I made a ports of Obdisian Order and rated it, Marcintesh OS-W, Outlook RB, K-Tek Steel, and several others too....then any ratings I gave them should be removed. Also, I know that some of those authors rated my skins, so you should fix that too. And while you're at it, you should remove any ratings they did on any other ports of their work! Oh, and as long as your so worried about it, also remove the ratings of the person that ported the skin, because I'm sure they rated the original too

First I'm not permitted to upload a Suite file that contained some of Pinchecl's skins in the suite file itself..instead of being linked...ok fine even though I have permission from him to do so, but now I can't rate his work, because he's my partner....Ok...IF he's my partner, then I own half of his work....which I do NOT, and should be permitted to upload the Suite files.....I mean it's at least half mine right?

Does that make me partners with CaveBear too? I've ported Lila, and Dream Rain and am in the process of doing more Dream Rain skins as well as Blue Lagoon??

Please, help me understand this....
And let me make it clear, that I only port Pinchecl's skins....
He really makes ALL the skins himself...
I do other ports while I'm waiting on a new set from him....I don't actually help him make the skins in any way....My contributions to HIS skins...when he's doing a new set is strictly testing and suggesting...I know that plenty of author's have people they always use to test, right?? Well, I can honestly say that until PINCHECL makes the skin and sends it to me to test I have no hand in making them....and several times I have to download the skins from here to get them....

And while I would love to actually have the artistic ability to make images and skins from scratch, I don't....that's why MOST of my skins are PORTS. Pinchecl's included. I have always said that he was the artist....and that I have NOTHING to do with the most important part of making the skins...

Comments (Page 3)

Essencay

on Nov 02, 2004

[Message Edited]

TN Brat!

on Nov 02, 2004

Fine then I'm permitted to upload the Suites?

MY point is that you denied me uploading them as Suites and said that we should make a combined name IF we wanted to upload them as Suites....

As I said and will say again, I am gpong by what you guys said!

We wre weorking together...fine we will be "partners" fine I won't rate his skins...So, I am permitted to upload the Suite!

BUT since you rejected the Suite....therefore YOU said that I don't have enough of a partnership to upload the Suite...then I should be permitted to rate his skins!

TN Brat!

on Nov 02, 2004

I've never done anything more than port his skins.....BUT

The Suites ARE a collaboration ...beause some of the skins are mine and some are his!

Pinchecl and I are working together to create suites of skins to share here at WinCustomize.

So, I will refrain from rating the Suites, because they contain my work, but NONE...and I mean NONE of his skins contain my work....I have never created anything orgiona that he has used to make HIS skins....I only port them....

Fuzzy Logic

on Nov 02, 2004

It is clear that suites must be either your own work if you upload the skin, or just contain links if the skin is not yours.

So to be doubly clear, you can upload your own work, but only link to the work of others.

Hope that is clear...

TN Brat!

on Nov 02, 2004

Oh, yeah, I am clear about that....the last Suite I uploaded was Lila....the only skins included in the suite file are mine only and not CaveBear's. Her skins are actually part of the suite but are linked ONLY....as instructed.

HG_Eliminator

on Nov 02, 2004

IMO.. if you or a group make /colaborate on a skin.. neither you or the group should be able to rate it .

if you colaborate to make a suite then all parties involved must have access to the upload account so that way all parties have equal say in its distribution ..hence the rule for a joint account ...

if you upload a suite/port that contains anothers graphics, under a (non) joint account ... . links must be used since i believe there is no way to provide a (permission) read me ... (most other progs you can include a permission read me in the zip file)

this is the way i understand it to be ... and i think that its fair .. it covers all bases and ensures that all artists have full controll over their graphics/works....

Fuzzy Logic

on Nov 02, 2004

Um...yeah...confused here. That's why it was approved - it contains links to the skins you have not created but includes the skins you have created (albeit ported) - but isn't that what I just said???

TN Brat!

on Nov 02, 2004

I have no problem with that....I understand how it works....I didn't know when my Suites were rejected that it worked that way. I know now...and haven't attempted to upload any Suite file that contained anyone's work since they set me straight.

I also agree that I should not be permitted to rate my own skins. I don't colaborate with anyone on any skins other than Suites....and since I was attempting to upload them under my name...then I was unable to rate them anyway.

I'd like to point out though, that we ARE permitted to upload skins that DO NOT belong to us at all. There are several skins in various author galleries, that the uploading author is NOT the actual skin author....IF the guideline that is SO important pertainin to ensuring that all artists have full control over their work, then why can I upload a skin made by someone other than myself?

BUT all that is not the point of this post....All the emails that Jafo posted...and he left out the one where he cursed me were out of line....there was no need to upload them....they make no deciding factor in this issue.

The facts are simple...
I port Pinchecl's skins.
I have several coloborative works with Pinchecl....they are
CP32 for Suites
CP35 for Suites
CP36 for Suites
CP37 for Suites
CP39 for Suites
2 of the above are available here in my library which means I can't rate them....
ANY other CP skins that I've made are also in my library....so I can't rate them either....
The rest of the CP skins...ie ALL WindowBlinds, SysMetrrix, Rainlendars, Icon Packages...Belong to Pinchecl. He made them, I port them....that's it....So, it's unfair that I cannot rate them. Like I said I don't always rate them high, though I will be happy to admit that the last 2 WBs he posted I DID rate high....but read the comments for them...others agree they are his best yet....he deserves a rating reflecting that.

Fuzzy Logic

on Nov 02, 2004

Sigh, it is clear you have not understood the points raised earlier. If you wish to continue this discussion with myself or any other moderator please feel free to do so. Otherwise, I fear we are merely flogging a dead horse...

HG_Eliminator

on Nov 02, 2004

moo..

CerebroJD

on Nov 02, 2004

TN Brat!

on Nov 02, 2004

There's really nothing left to say.

IF you don't want me rating Cliff's skins, then remove my ability to do so, but don't go back and punish him, by removing my previous ratings.

If you are unable to remove that particular part of my rating prividgles, then say "Please, don't rate Pinchel's skin if you are going to port them." But it unnecessary to "continue to watch these submissions." I am an ethical person, and if I say I will NOT rate his skins, because it's a conflict of interests, then be assured, I won't.

Jafo

on Nov 02, 2004

then why can I upload a skin made by someone other than myself?

You can't....as if you do and it's noticed it will be rejected.

Jafo

on Nov 02, 2004

IF it is a situation of a straight porting then feel free to rate its origin. If it is NOT a port but is a co-operative venture then refrain.

That 'should' be the end of this discussion....

joeKnowledge

on Nov 03, 2004

interesting...

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